الرد على شبهة: هل المؤمنين بالمسيح يفعلون أفعال أعظم من المسيح

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المؤمنين بالمسيح يفعلون أفعال أعظم من المسيح



Joh 14:12 اَلْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِي فَالأَعْمَالُ الَّتِي أَنَا أَعْمَلُهَا يَعْمَلُهَا هُوَ أَيْضاً وَيَعْمَلُ أَعْظَمَ مِنْهَا لأَنِّي مَاضٍ إِلَى أَبِي.



يظن البعض خطأ أن المسيح هنا يتكلم عن قوه الفعل الذي يفعله ومن ثم يستنتجون أن التلاميذ والمؤمنين بالمسيح سيفعلون افعال اقوى من افعال الرب يسوع المسيح , وهذا ضيق منطقي واضح فالنتيجه الصحيحه يجب أن تكون مُعطياتها أيضاً صحيحه . فالمعطيات هنا خاطئه فأن المسيح لم يقصد قوه الفعل ذاته بل أن يسوع المسيح هو ذاته قوة الله ( 1 كو 1:24 ) فكيف يكون أحد له قوه الفعل اقوى من القوه ذاتها . وكون أن المسيح هو قوه الله فهو لا ينفصل عن الكينونه الالهيه . فعل من الممكن أن القوى تنفصل عن القوى ؟ هل من الممكن أن الحكمه تنفصل عن الحكيم ؟؟ . بالطبع لا . بل وأن النص التالي للنص محل البحث يقول " وَمَهْمَا سَأَلْتُمْ بِاسْمِي فَذلِكَ أَفْعَلُهُ لِيَتَمَجَّدَ الآبُ بِالابْنِ. " فمهما كانت عظمه الفعل فالمسيح يستخدم عبده الضعيف ويفعل هو الفعل الالهي ليتمجد الاب . فعلي سبيل المثال بطرس قد جثا علي ركبتيه وصلي في أقامه طبيثا ( اعمال 9:40 ) .


بأقتضاب المسيح يقول أن في مرحله الكرازه وما بعدها بالطبع أن التلاميذ سيفعلون أكثر مما فعله بكثره ففتره خدمه المسيح كانت بضعه سنوات ولكن استمرار بشاره المسيح هي الاف السنين فالمسيح أيضاً كان يخدم في مربع جغرافي معين ولكن التلاميذ والرسل نشروا الإيمان في العالم . فبطرس مثلا في وعظته الشهيره أمن 3 الاف شخص ! فالمسيح لا يتكلم عن قوه الفعل او المعجزات ولكن عددها وانتشار الافعال والمعجزات التى تحدث علي أسمه القدوس


والعجيبه أن هذه النبوه من فم المسيح الطاهر هي محققه بالفعل في سفر أعمال الرسل كله .
سنرجع لأقوال العلماء الذين يؤكدون ما أقول أنا أن قول المسيح لا يتكلم عن قوه الفعل ذاته بل يتكلم بالمقارنه بالعدد مقارنه بما سيحدث من معجزات بأسمه في فتره الكرازه وما بعدها




مارفين فينست [1]

12. Greater works. Not more remarkable miracles, but referring to the wider work of the apostolic ministry under the dispensation of the Spirit. This work was of a higher nature than mere bodily cures. Godet truthfully says: “That which was done by St. Peter at Pentecost, by St. Paul all over the world, that which is effected by an ordinary preacher, a single believer, by bringing the Spirit into the heart, could not be done by Jesus during His sojourn in this world.” Jesus’ personal ministry in the flesh must be a local ministry. Only under the dispensation of the Spirit could it be universal



جون والفورد [2]

14:12-14. The apostles would not necessarily do more stupendous miracles than Jesus did (e.g., feeding 5,000) but their outreach would be greater (e.g., Peter in one sermon had 3,000 converts). This was possible because Jesus had gone to the Father and had sent the Spirit. Miracles are important, but some evangelists have done even greater things than these by preaching the good news to many thousands of people.




توم كونستابل [3]

The disciples would do even greater works than Jesus in the sense that their works would have greater effects than His works had. During Jesus’ earthly ministry relatively few people believed on Him, but after His ascension many more did. The miracle of regeneration multiplied after Jesus ascended to heaven and the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Three thousand people became believers in Jesus on the day of Pentecost alone (Acts 2:41). The church thoroughly permeated the Roman Empire during the apostolic age whereas Jesus’ personal ministry did not extend beyond Palestine. The whole Book of Acts is proof that what Jesus predicted here happened (cf. Acts 1:1–2, 8). The mighty works of conversion are more in view here than a few miracles of healing





روبرت ويلكين [4]

14:12. “Greater works than these” refers to works greater in extent, not greater in kind. It is impossible to do works that are greater in kind than what Jesus did. But, for example, on the Day of Pentecost Peter led more people to faith in Jesus—about three thousand (Acts 2:41)—than Jesus likely did in His entire earthly ministry
This is a promise not just to the Eleven, but also to each one



كينيث جانجيل [5]


. 14:12. This is one of the most interesting verses in the Bible. Interpreters have pondered what Jesus meant by telling his disciples that they would do greater things than he, the Son of God, had done. But perhaps the best way to understand the verse is to take it literally, exactly as Jesus said it. Jesus’ earthly ministry was limited in time and space. He served the Father for three and one-half years and never outside the boundaries of Palestine. The disciples, on the other hand, as Acts clearly attests, carried out ministry that was greater geographically, in terms of numbers of people reached and long-lasting effect.





رامزى مايكلز [6]

14:12 / Greater things: lit., “greater works.” The works the disciples will perform after Jesus’ departure are greater than Jesus’ works not in intrinsic value or glory but in scope: The disciples will do the works of God on a much wider scale as they bring the message of eternal life to the whole world, Gentiles as well as Jews (cf. 10:16; 11:52; 12:32







روبرت كيزار [7]


greater (meizona) works. Works (erga) should be understood as inclusive of wonders, but it means more widely all acts which express God’s redemptive concern for humans. The greater works are the evangelical spread of the kerygma through the mission of the church—a spread which far exceeds that of Jesus’ ministry. This is possible for the church only because, first, the revelation of Christ will have been accomplished and, second, the Spirit which empowers the church will have been given (20:21–22). Both of these are because (hoti) Jesus goes



ف.ف . بروس [8]


12. greater things than these: The works performed by the Christian are done in communion with the living Saviour. But they are greater in their sphere of influence. Jesus’ works were limited to the days of His flesh and the land in which He lived. But the Church which is His body has a worldwide influence in winning men for Him





ايرل رامادشر [9]

14:12 Jesus had accomplished the greatest works possible, including raising the dead. How could He say that believers would do greater works? The answer is seen in the extent of what the apostles did. Jesus’ work on earth was confined to Palestine; the apostles would preach everywhere and see the conversion of thousands. Peter’s message at Pentecost brought more followers to Jesus than did Jesus’ entire earthly ministry. The disciples were able to do this work because Christ would go to the Father and send the Holy Spirit to empower them.



فايفر [10]


Greater works. Not to be restricted to the signs such as Jesus wrought in the days of his flesh. The works could not be greater in quality than his, but greater in extent. Because I go unto my Father. This is the reason for the greater works. The restrictions imposed on Jesus by incarnation would be removed. His position with the Father would be related to the greater works in two ways: answering the prayers of his own, and sending the Paraclete as the unfailing source of wisdom and strength. The works, then, would not be done in independence of Christ. He would answer prayer; he would send the Spirit.



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